Today, Monday May 2 this year, Jaime de Althaus interview in historical program “when ‘N’ the Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto, and this is the verbatim transcript of the interview. I want to stress howeve, That doing this transcript, I Could learn more about this fascinating world of politics – in a good sense of the term – and be assured, with reflection, for Whom I vote In This Presidential Election, But His time is hard to Understand That MOST people do not Care About These issues – less to see This Kind of TV programs – and are to vote for Mr. Ollanta. The interview proceeded as FOLLOWS:
Jaime .- “I have seen today in campaigning Has Been Comas”
Hernando .- “I actually Asked Keiko. Comas Was a visit to Where It Actually Is A Shortage of legal physical THEREFORE Infrastructure and Infrastructure. To Talk with people and a lot of Appeared as people”
Jaime .- “But in the Cofopri Greatly advanced degree in human settlements, and urban areas of Generally in Peru, That’s pretty advanced right?”
Hernando .- “But you know young people are growing That, and Many of the Institutional Activities Cofopri, Have Been Followed Closely not. Because There is the question of giving someone a title That Has Been Done in Peru Several times you’ve done around the world Several times. The first thing to win as I have Enters a colony, is just the owner, see That It Belongs to whom, to take over the territories and assets of the country. The problem is to make sure the title is still That the element Another person of transfer to. A title alive, live capital ”
Jaime .- “and the title died That Have Have Been?”
Hernando .- “In Many cases it Has Been neglected, ie the process to make a sale, They Are cumbersome and the people removed the title of the market and say,” Will we sign a paper Between Us “and is very easy informality returns . It is the reason we HAD seen as an organization Cofopri, continue to monitor the legal environment to Ensure That the cost of Being legally in the country, below the cost of WAS Being illegal. At The Time That anyone seen to be more efficient to be unlawful, illegal passing, here and in Cochin. That’s What Happened and Dismantled much of Cofopri. And on the one hand none of the governments, Including That precedes it, Gave it great Importance, With just the system have survived. I remember the previous governments did not give Importance, in other words. From the moment one decide That the rule of law is crucial for functional economy, to be functional in the country to Identify people. To catch Osama Bin Laden Was not it Called Home?, Because When I was in the caves not Grabber ”
Jaime .- “With the title Grabbed Osama Bin Laden? I can not believe it”
Hernando .- “But if the police is fundamental thing to Have A map and directions. When There Is finally addresses, You Can locate people, is very simple. Abimael Guzman Was the Same Thing, I Grabbed When I was in a cave? Have Grabbed you When I was in Ayacucho? They caught him When He Was in a suburban residence here in Peru is not it? What Happens Is That it is very Difficult to locate people When There Are No directions and no Relationship Between People and Their Property. It is very difficult. Similarly it is Difficult to believe if people do not Know Where They Are. That’s why people talk About Qualifications, it is not easy to give a title. You Must be a document, Which is like a credit card. You know you get a Visa card, You have a base number, and you always know you can do to the person responsible have made Spending. So What Has Happened in Peru, it Took an excellent system and Has Been neglected. In a country like ours , where, Political Power is not interested. So our reaction to Keiko is not it? Keiko’ve taken with Both Hands This Program Announced and WAS and said: This is a core program or project Within my program, and this course have us excited. Because not going to work credit, Will Not Have water, They Will not Have capital, They Will not Have electricity, Green Card Lottery If You Can not locate Those behind the walls ”
Jaime .- “Well in the case of Peru, There are 1’800, 000 new loans over the Borrowers of past 10 years, No Need to present title, ie micro-credit have an extraordinary way in Developed. Through a series of proprietary technologies ”
Hernando .- “Well, see to what Extent Many of These People Receiving microcredit, Have a location called. The Fact That It is not to say CLAIMED That is not working the system of Qualifications. When you go to the U.S. and ask for a credit, Not Necessarily the title you ask, you already know That You are Entitled, and You have Locate a number of systems attached, But The Fact Is That People Can be located. And That’s What’s behind the title, so I say, Sometimes do Understand what it is not. Is to create a system of ownership, and It Will create a number of other instances and Then start to say “look at the location is not important,” the crisis of the United States, is the location is not important?, But failed to pay when to Have 40% of the mortgages, and we see what you’ve Happened. And the Same Thing Happens Here, There are micro and hear: for Peruvians Vast macro microcredit does not Need credit? ”
Jaime .- “Macro if need more Guaranteed, But Has Been Offered, or Have Offer, I do not know, head across Peru in 3 years, is what I just read today in a note. Is this what’s included? Is this Also? Or include Rural Communities, native communities? What are we talking here? ”
Hernando .- “We’re talking literally from all over Peru. If There is interest to do so Political, and There are resources to do so, and Serve the people, can be done in 3 or 5 years. Entitled to All Japan WAS 5 years, Between 45 and 50 Without computers ”
Jaime .- “What Exactly Are We Talking About? Because in the case of peasant Communities, saw, MOST of Them are titled, Have Their communal title, So There is internal degree. So the farming community Within Actually all are so to informal smallholder speak. They are squatters, Especially In the farming lands right? The more tech is the earth, but no individual ownership, Then That Is not Entitled, It Never Entered Because Cofopri there. In the case of native forest Communities Understand That There Is No question of degree whether the community Itself What would the plan? ”
Hernando .- “Good is a bit like you’re suppose at the Jockey Plaza, and say,” I have the Jockey Plaza Entitled, “What about Respect, cinemas, cafes, shops?, No Not that way, I Simply Called the Jockey Plaza. Does the Jockey Plaza? Do not you?, For example says look, We Will Have A single credit card for people working in the channel ‘N’ That Does credit card? So Those are not titles, are Some Recognition, Autonomy or Sovereignty of people – presumably – are common and private Given, But are not distinguished. It’s like going and tell this people Asterix and Obelix is his ”
Jaime .- “Then I would go to home and community in the mountains and You want to ask, aside from the title They Already have? Would you like an individual title? When it’ve done surveys, Have Been Interested people, Because in practice, are inherited from father and so on to. But You Never Been Attempted reality from the state, to campaign in That sense, it is a politically apologetic thing ”
Hernando .- “No, politically apologetic, is not, THEREFORE, if we ultimately decide That These Are the voters in Peru and That Can Each person vote. Then we know That There are individuos in Peru, and dog desmasificar, and we know That if we give power to the people of Peru, and desmasificar Have you Need to Know Where the wire ends Which part of electricity, or ends WHERE HAD to give water. So if you do that for water, can be made for other Also Things, Including of course the company. And the greatest interest Will Be Those Communities, Because, not to be clear About STI title, is a mining company and dispute the water Immediately. If It Were clear Who controls what, and what rights and defined According To the law and what is popular consensus, These Problems are resolved. All Those Negotiating We have tables in Peru, Where There are 240 registered social Conflicts Could Be 1000, 2000, Jaime I do not know how many, are Essentially Problems of conflict over Territory , are Matters of degree. There Would Be Or else no conflict: between the mining companies, Among Investors, Those Who Want to make a hydroelectric Inambari Those Who Want to Invest in Tambo Grande. There Would be no problem, Because They know who That owns “.
